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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/2009/12/12/whats-the-solution/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 02:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The contempt hearing was a civil hearing. The exclusionary rule excludes evidence at trial. It can not cure a constitutional violation at sentencing, so it was a very odd situation that confronted Judge Donahoe. I don&#039;t agree with Mr. Stoddard being locked up. I think a better ruling would have been to hold the sheriff and/or his office in contempt, levy a large fine, and require that fine be used to train officers in respecting attorney client-privilege and constitutional rights. I don&#039;t think you&#039;re stupid. I think you just mistake criminal defense attorneys zealously defending clients with an assumption that defense attorneys don&#039;t form opinions, something that is probably very easy to do. In regards to the FBI, I hope so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The contempt hearing was a civil hearing. The exclusionary rule excludes evidence at trial. It can not cure a constitutional violation at sentencing, so it was a very odd situation that confronted Judge Donahoe. I don&#8217;t agree with Mr. Stoddard being locked up. I think a better ruling would have been to hold the sheriff and/or his office in contempt, levy a large fine, and require that fine be used to train officers in respecting attorney client-privilege and constitutional rights. I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re stupid. I think you just mistake criminal defense attorneys zealously defending clients with an assumption that defense attorneys don&#8217;t form opinions, something that is probably very easy to do. In regards to the FBI, I hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: mahtso</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/2009/12/12/whats-the-solution/#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator>mahtso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Have your ever heard of respondeat superior liability?&quot; Yes, but I thought that was a doctrine related to civil laws, not criminal. Please correct me if I have it wrong.

&quot;Are 4th Amendment violations so commonplace that we should just accept them?&quot; No. But I do not see a DO&#039;s violation as proof that the Sheriff has committed unlawful acts that warrant the type of response being suggested at blogs linked from this one. (Again, correct me if I am wrong, and the typical solution is to exclude the evidence, not to lock up the officer who committed the violation.)

&quot;Is it ironic that criminal defense attorneys think Sheriff Joe is violating the law or is it ridiculous that you think defense attorneys can never believe someone is guilty before a conviction?&quot; The irony is that although many of us do not adhere to the presumption of innocence, I thought criminal defense lawyers would. Maybe it is not irony, but stupidity on my part.

&quot;I am a big fan of observing individuals who don’t realize blatant, systematic abuse of power and repeated constitutional violations and I see it often where others may not.&quot; I wonder if the FBI will also see it in the case of the Sheriff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Have your ever heard of respondeat superior liability?&#8221; Yes, but I thought that was a doctrine related to civil laws, not criminal. Please correct me if I have it wrong.</p>
<p>&#8220;Are 4th Amendment violations so commonplace that we should just accept them?&#8221; No. But I do not see a DO&#8217;s violation as proof that the Sheriff has committed unlawful acts that warrant the type of response being suggested at blogs linked from this one. (Again, correct me if I am wrong, and the typical solution is to exclude the evidence, not to lock up the officer who committed the violation.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Is it ironic that criminal defense attorneys think Sheriff Joe is violating the law or is it ridiculous that you think defense attorneys can never believe someone is guilty before a conviction?&#8221; The irony is that although many of us do not adhere to the presumption of innocence, I thought criminal defense lawyers would. Maybe it is not irony, but stupidity on my part.</p>
<p>&#8220;I am a big fan of observing individuals who don’t realize blatant, systematic abuse of power and repeated constitutional violations and I see it often where others may not.&#8221; I wonder if the FBI will also see it in the case of the Sheriff.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/2009/12/12/whats-the-solution/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I see the video has two former US attorneys.  My fault for not watching the entire video before posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I see the video has two former US attorneys.  My fault for not watching the entire video before posting.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/2009/12/12/whats-the-solution/#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a big fan of observing individuals who don&#039;t realize blatant, systematic abuse of power and repeated constitutional violations and I see it often where others may not.
I fail to see irony in this situation- a U.S. attorney in charge of another State not filing charges against a sheriff in another State. Maybe you&#039;re just really good at seeing irony because I would call that jurisdiction, not irony.
Have your ever heard of respondeat superior liability? Maybe, just maybe Sheriff Joe should be the person held responsible for MCSO&#039;s misdeeds? Are 4th Amendment violations so commonplace that we should just accept them?
Is it ironic that criminal defense attorneys think Sheriff Joe is violating the law or is it ridiculous that you think defense attorneys can never believe someone is guilty before a conviction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a big fan of observing individuals who don&#8217;t realize blatant, systematic abuse of power and repeated constitutional violations and I see it often where others may not.<br />
I fail to see irony in this situation- a U.S. attorney in charge of another State not filing charges against a sheriff in another State. Maybe you&#8217;re just really good at seeing irony because I would call that jurisdiction, not irony.<br />
Have your ever heard of respondeat superior liability? Maybe, just maybe Sheriff Joe should be the person held responsible for MCSO&#8217;s misdeeds? Are 4th Amendment violations so commonplace that we should just accept them?<br />
Is it ironic that criminal defense attorneys think Sheriff Joe is violating the law or is it ridiculous that you think defense attorneys can never believe someone is guilty before a conviction?</p>
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		<title>By: mahtso</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/2009/12/12/whats-the-solution/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>mahtso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure I am clear I say again, if the Sheriff has violated the law, I hope he gets punished appropriately.

As to the links:

The Southcarolina blog – I could be flip and say that if the FBI is investigating you (or the Sheriff) he must be guilty. That investigation may bear fruit, but until then it is only an instigation (not even an allegation.) There was something I found ironic in the video: the former US Atty (now defense lawyer) alleges violations of law that if correct happened when he was the US Atty. Why no charges at that time?

One serious problem with the video is that it mentioned the raid at Mesa City Hall and it mentioned that the Sheriff said the raid was to arrest illegal immigrants. What the video did not report was that the City or its contractor had hired illegal immigrants and several were arrested while working at City Hall (during the raid). To me, this selective reporting raises an issue of bias.

Otherwise, the video relied on people that have an axe to grind and was little more than the same allegations that are floated elsewhere. The primary one is that the Sheriff retaliated against people by investigating them. The video made clear that the Sheriff could present a defense that there were other reasons for the investigation. Whether that defense is viable is, of course, a question that might be answered at a trial (or perhaps might convince the FBI not to file charges on those allegations.)

Gamso Blog – That addressed actions by a Detention Officer, not the Sheriff. I am unaware of how acts the DO took can be considered illegal acts by the Sheriff, but I am always willing to be enlightened. What the DO did has been ruled a violation of the 4A (ignoring the pending appeal), which is serious, but there are literally volumes written on 4A violations and these are not uncommon.

Arpaio.com – I skimmed through much of it. Leaving aside the obvious bias (it still has a link supporting the opposition candidate in the election a year ago): Perhaps the most serious allegations are under a heading “Blood on Arpaio’s Hands.”  Accepting as true all the reports (which are certainly based on true incidences of injury and death in the jails) none of those reports actually shows that the Sheriff was the actor in the matter. So, as above, unless there is some way that another person’s acts show the Sheriff committed an illegal act, I don’t see how that proves he did so.

Other allegations on the site date back to as long ago as 1995 and include that the Sheriff refused to investigation his chief deputy. Bad policy and poor choice? Sounds like yes. Crime? Hard for me to see without more evidence.  There was also a section with a heading (something like) “the Truth.” This discussed, and took issue with, a bunch of the Sheriff’s hyperbole, but I see no evidence of criminal acts. (Ready to be enlightened with specifics.) There was also a blog with the last two entries in April 2009 and May 2008 that were so old I did not read these. And last, a public forum that I did not read at all. (I assume those who have written in that forum have reported evidence of wrong-doing to the proper authorities).

I am a big fan of irony and see it often where others may not. I see irony in that Mr. Brown, a criminal defense lawyer (and other bloggers who are also), appear (to me) to take a guilty until proven innocent approach with the Sheriff. Then again, the FBI has been investigating him for over a year, so he must be guilty of something.

Whether or not the Sheriff has committed illegal acts is something that time will tell. Thank you, Mr. Brown for providing this forum and your input on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure I am clear I say again, if the Sheriff has violated the law, I hope he gets punished appropriately.</p>
<p>As to the links:</p>
<p>The Southcarolina blog – I could be flip and say that if the FBI is investigating you (or the Sheriff) he must be guilty. That investigation may bear fruit, but until then it is only an instigation (not even an allegation.) There was something I found ironic in the video: the former US Atty (now defense lawyer) alleges violations of law that if correct happened when he was the US Atty. Why no charges at that time?</p>
<p>One serious problem with the video is that it mentioned the raid at Mesa City Hall and it mentioned that the Sheriff said the raid was to arrest illegal immigrants. What the video did not report was that the City or its contractor had hired illegal immigrants and several were arrested while working at City Hall (during the raid). To me, this selective reporting raises an issue of bias.</p>
<p>Otherwise, the video relied on people that have an axe to grind and was little more than the same allegations that are floated elsewhere. The primary one is that the Sheriff retaliated against people by investigating them. The video made clear that the Sheriff could present a defense that there were other reasons for the investigation. Whether that defense is viable is, of course, a question that might be answered at a trial (or perhaps might convince the FBI not to file charges on those allegations.)</p>
<p>Gamso Blog – That addressed actions by a Detention Officer, not the Sheriff. I am unaware of how acts the DO took can be considered illegal acts by the Sheriff, but I am always willing to be enlightened. What the DO did has been ruled a violation of the 4A (ignoring the pending appeal), which is serious, but there are literally volumes written on 4A violations and these are not uncommon.</p>
<p>Arpaio.com – I skimmed through much of it. Leaving aside the obvious bias (it still has a link supporting the opposition candidate in the election a year ago): Perhaps the most serious allegations are under a heading “Blood on Arpaio’s Hands.”  Accepting as true all the reports (which are certainly based on true incidences of injury and death in the jails) none of those reports actually shows that the Sheriff was the actor in the matter. So, as above, unless there is some way that another person’s acts show the Sheriff committed an illegal act, I don’t see how that proves he did so.</p>
<p>Other allegations on the site date back to as long ago as 1995 and include that the Sheriff refused to investigation his chief deputy. Bad policy and poor choice? Sounds like yes. Crime? Hard for me to see without more evidence.  There was also a section with a heading (something like) “the Truth.” This discussed, and took issue with, a bunch of the Sheriff’s hyperbole, but I see no evidence of criminal acts. (Ready to be enlightened with specifics.) There was also a blog with the last two entries in April 2009 and May 2008 that were so old I did not read these. And last, a public forum that I did not read at all. (I assume those who have written in that forum have reported evidence of wrong-doing to the proper authorities).</p>
<p>I am a big fan of irony and see it often where others may not. I see irony in that Mr. Brown, a criminal defense lawyer (and other bloggers who are also), appear (to me) to take a guilty until proven innocent approach with the Sheriff. Then again, the FBI has been investigating him for over a year, so he must be guilty of something.</p>
<p>Whether or not the Sheriff has committed illegal acts is something that time will tell. Thank you, Mr. Brown for providing this forum and your input on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Brown</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/2009/12/12/whats-the-solution/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are some links that outline Sheriff Joe&#039;s antics and their legal implications:

http://www.arpaio.com/
http://gamso-forthedefense.blogspot.com/2009/12/back-to-maricopa.html
http://www.southcarolinacriminaldefenseblog.com/2009/12/more_arpaio_maricopa.html

I think there&#039;s more than enough there for someone to independently verify and decide if what he&#039;s doing really is illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some links that outline Sheriff Joe&#8217;s antics and their legal implications:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.arpaio.com/" >http://www.arpaio.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://gamso-forthedefense.blogspot.com/2009/12/back-to-maricopa.html" >http://gamso-forthedefense.blogspot.com/2009/12/back-to-maricopa.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.southcarolinacriminaldefenseblog.com/2009/12/more_arpaio_maricopa.html" >http://www.southcarolinacriminaldefenseblog.com/2009/12/more_arpaio_maricopa.html</a></p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s more than enough there for someone to independently verify and decide if what he&#8217;s doing really is illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Passin Thru</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/2009/12/12/whats-the-solution/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Passin Thru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your sheriff and county atty are really something special.

I am pretty sure that if the Phoenix judges were fed up with what is going on, they could prevail upon the state atty general to investigate.  Or they could quit en masse.

Since this has not happened, you Arizonans are condemned to live with the morons you&#039;ve elected.

Don&#039;t feel bad.  If morons could not run for office and get elected, you wouldn&#039;t have a true democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your sheriff and county atty are really something special.</p>
<p>I am pretty sure that if the Phoenix judges were fed up with what is going on, they could prevail upon the state atty general to investigate.  Or they could quit en masse.</p>
<p>Since this has not happened, you Arizonans are condemned to live with the morons you&#8217;ve elected.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t feel bad.  If morons could not run for office and get elected, you wouldn&#8217;t have a true democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Donte</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/2009/12/12/whats-the-solution/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>Donte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think the proof will be found by the F.B.I  The proof is being covered up because of judicial cowardice and the assaults perpetrated by Fuhrer Joe&#039;s storm troopers who intimidate and threaten anyone who brings the truth to light. I however are convinced his days are numbered to many people are now involved for him to keep going as usual. As any General knows you can not win a war on multiple fronts, and as with last Fuhrer who found this out the hard way, so will go Old Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think the proof will be found by the F.B.I  The proof is being covered up because of judicial cowardice and the assaults perpetrated by Fuhrer Joe&#8217;s storm troopers who intimidate and threaten anyone who brings the truth to light. I however are convinced his days are numbered to many people are now involved for him to keep going as usual. As any General knows you can not win a war on multiple fronts, and as with last Fuhrer who found this out the hard way, so will go Old Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: mahtso</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/2009/12/12/whats-the-solution/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>mahtso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donte, Sorry if I was too narrow in my statement. Of course if there is proof of civil rights or Constitutional violations, then the Sheriff should be punished appropriately. But as I understand it, Constitutional violations are often cured (e.g., exclude evidence) rather than dealt with via punishment.

So, to Mr. Brown, Donte, or anyone else, please provide me with details of these violations. Not here on Mr. Brown&#039;s blog, but on a blog he sometimes links to, they appear to be calling for armed insurrection over the Sheriff&#039;s acts and they offer insults to those of us who are not anxious to participate. Given that level of hyperbole, I don&#039;t think it unfair to ask for specific factual information.

And again, to be clear, I do not know if the Sheriff is in violation or not. But, the DOJ has been investigating him for close to a year. To me that DOJ is now resorting to hot-lines is an indication that it has not found substantial evidence of any violations. But this is conjecture on my part and maybe Mr. Brown or someone with knowledge of DOJ procedures and policy can provide factual information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donte, Sorry if I was too narrow in my statement. Of course if there is proof of civil rights or Constitutional violations, then the Sheriff should be punished appropriately. But as I understand it, Constitutional violations are often cured (e.g., exclude evidence) rather than dealt with via punishment.</p>
<p>So, to Mr. Brown, Donte, or anyone else, please provide me with details of these violations. Not here on Mr. Brown&#8217;s blog, but on a blog he sometimes links to, they appear to be calling for armed insurrection over the Sheriff&#8217;s acts and they offer insults to those of us who are not anxious to participate. Given that level of hyperbole, I don&#8217;t think it unfair to ask for specific factual information.</p>
<p>And again, to be clear, I do not know if the Sheriff is in violation or not. But, the DOJ has been investigating him for close to a year. To me that DOJ is now resorting to hot-lines is an indication that it has not found substantial evidence of any violations. But this is conjecture on my part and maybe Mr. Brown or someone with knowledge of DOJ procedures and policy can provide factual information.</p>
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		<title>By: Donte</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/2009/12/12/whats-the-solution/#comment-327</link>
		<dc:creator>Donte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proof that the Sheriff has violated the law ? No he has mad just a slight bo bo he only violates civil rights and the truth can be found in that peace of paper called the &quot;Constitution of the United States of America&quot; why is this so hard for people to see?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proof that the Sheriff has violated the law ? No he has mad just a slight bo bo he only violates civil rights and the truth can be found in that peace of paper called the &#8220;Constitution of the United States of America&#8221; why is this so hard for people to see?</p>
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