Comments on: Missing the Point http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/10/30/missing-the-point/ An Arizona Criminal Defense Blog Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:27:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Defending People » On Behalf of Matt Brown, You’re Welcome. http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/10/30/missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-6241 Defending People » On Behalf of Matt Brown, You’re Welcome. Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:09:53 +0000 http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/?p=194#comment-6241 [...] he did what any good blogger does. He wrote another post about the personal attacks. To which Phoenix criminal defense lawyer John Thomas Banta, Esq. wrote [...] [...] he did what any good blogger does. He wrote another post about the personal attacks. To which Phoenix criminal defense lawyer John Thomas Banta, Esq. wrote [...]

]]> By: Gideon http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/10/30/missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-6084 Gideon Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:38:22 +0000 http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/?p=194#comment-6084 Sorry, but I have to say that half the comments to this post are rubbish. And you know which half I mean. No wonder we're such a maligned lot. Just read the self-righteous bullshit in the first few comments. Sorry, but I have to say that half the comments to this post are rubbish. And you know which half I mean.

No wonder we’re such a maligned lot. Just read the self-righteous bullshit in the first few comments.

]]> By: Stephen http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/10/30/missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-6080 Stephen Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:24:05 +0000 http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/?p=194#comment-6080 I think it also raises an issue of if you really shouldn't talk about things you read in the press. Is it totally off limits to discussion? Yes, the whole story is never contained in the few inches of newsprint but do lawyers (as opposed to the rest of the world) need to have every detail about any particular case before they can say anything at all? Lawyers should have all the facts they can scrape together when they stand before a jury but we're not before a jury here. What we're talking about here is reading a newspaper and discussing what's in it. A lot of the dissenting comments talk about how the person should have more information before talking, why? Why can't you just discuss the information you have? More information is good but what will add to a post that just asks "what is it about this particular client?" I think it also raises an issue of if you really shouldn’t talk about things you read in the press. Is it totally off limits to discussion? Yes, the whole story is never contained in the few inches of newsprint but do lawyers (as opposed to the rest of the world) need to have every detail about any particular case before they can say anything at all? Lawyers should have all the facts they can scrape together when they stand before a jury but we’re not before a jury here. What we’re talking about here is reading a newspaper and discussing what’s in it.

A lot of the dissenting comments talk about how the person should have more information before talking, why? Why can’t you just discuss the information you have? More information is good but what will add to a post that just asks “what is it about this particular client?”

]]> By: Jdog http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/10/30/missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-6071 Jdog Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:50:28 +0000 http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/?p=194#comment-6071 I dunno. I saw the posting over at SJ, and came on over. In summary: huh? From my distant perspective, you're not making any conclusions about Da Costa at all, other than the pretty safe one, that having been officially accused of a serious naughtiness, he's in some difficulties. That's not inconsistent with him being guilty as hell, innocent as Gandhi (being dead, Gandhi, I can safely say, didn't smuggle any drugs in). Is it so outlandish to suggest that lawyers have, from time to time, smuggled in drugs and other contraband to clients, and to wonder under what circumstances Da Costa <i>might</i> have been so tempted? I dunno. I saw the posting over at SJ, and came on over.

In summary: huh? From my distant perspective, you’re not making any conclusions about Da Costa at all, other than the pretty safe one, that having been officially accused of a serious naughtiness, he’s in some difficulties. That’s not inconsistent with him being guilty as hell, innocent as Gandhi (being dead, Gandhi, I can safely say, didn’t smuggle any drugs in).

Is it so outlandish to suggest that lawyers have, from time to time, smuggled in drugs and other contraband to clients, and to wonder under what circumstances Da Costa might have been so tempted?

]]> By: Jameson Johnson http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/10/30/missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-6069 Jameson Johnson Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:14:58 +0000 http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/?p=194#comment-6069 Perhaps Mr. Brown is better suited to working for Maricopa County Attorney. I've come to expect his jaundiced point of view from MCAO. It is clear that he could use some additional time matriculating under more experienced counsel. Pam Nicholson once took me to task over an important issue, and I frequently credit her with changing my views on the death penalty. When a person with that much experience draws attention to your critical errors in thinking, it is wise to at least consider the criticism. I have no doubt that Nicholson would be the first to reel off a list of mentors that helped shape her into the advocate she is today. Perhaps Mr. Brown is better suited to working for Maricopa County Attorney. I’ve come to expect his jaundiced point of view from MCAO. It is clear that he could use some additional time matriculating under more experienced counsel.

Pam Nicholson once took me to task over an important issue, and I frequently credit her with changing my views on the death penalty. When a person with that much experience draws attention to your critical errors in thinking, it is wise to at least consider the criticism. I have no doubt that Nicholson would be the first to reel off a list of mentors that helped shape her into the advocate she is today.

]]> By: Andrew (the other one) http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/10/30/missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-6059 Andrew (the other one) Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:19:21 +0000 http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/?p=194#comment-6059 One would think that people who went to law school and constantly discussed hypothetical situations wouldn't act outraged when presented with a hypothetical. It appears that one would be wrong. One would think that people who went to law school and constantly discussed hypothetical situations wouldn’t act outraged when presented with a hypothetical. It appears that one would be wrong.

]]> By: BFrederick http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/10/30/missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-6032 BFrederick Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:27:51 +0000 http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/?p=194#comment-6032 Matt: No need to apologize for what you have written. If you discover you were wrong in what you wrote then certainly you should correct it - but the tenor of the comments posted by some of these guys, including insults and personal attacks, does not demand a response. "I was not condescending: I was chastising a colleague. . . ." Really? Matt:

No need to apologize for what you have written. If you discover you were wrong in what you wrote then certainly you should correct it – but the tenor of the comments posted by some of these guys, including insults and personal attacks, does not demand a response.

“I was not condescending: I was chastising a colleague. . . .” Really?

]]> By: Chris http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/10/30/missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-6026 Chris Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:33:06 +0000 http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/?p=194#comment-6026 That has got to be fake. That has got to be fake.

]]> By: Andrew Thomas http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/10/30/missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-6024 Andrew Thomas Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:00:51 +0000 http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/?p=194#comment-6024 I usually don't enter into these kinds of trollish encounters but I must come to Mr. Brown's defense. I know any of the attorneys who have disparaged Mr. Brown and can say with confidence that they are only concerned with ensuring that their clients avoid responsibility for their crimes. It is refreshing to see a criminal defense attorney who understands that this is a profession that requires more than just getting favorable results for your client, or making excuses for the obviously guilty, but requires defense lawyers to take the greater good into consideration when representing criminals. Keep up the good work, Matt. There are many of us out there who appreciate your perspective and point of view. I usually don’t enter into these kinds of trollish encounters but I must come to Mr. Brown’s defense.
I know any of the attorneys who have disparaged Mr. Brown and can say with confidence that they are only concerned with ensuring that their clients avoid responsibility for their crimes. It is refreshing to see a criminal defense attorney who understands that this is a profession that requires more than just getting favorable results for your client, or making excuses for the obviously guilty, but requires defense lawyers to take the greater good into consideration when representing criminals. Keep up the good work, Matt. There are many of us out there who appreciate your perspective and point of view.

]]> By: Alisha Rosato http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/10/30/missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-6021 Alisha Rosato Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:28:11 +0000 http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/?p=194#comment-6021 Not the brightest barristers out there, eh? No need replying, they are not listening. Not the brightest barristers out there, eh? No need replying, they are not listening.

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