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		<title>Don&#039;t Do It</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/06/12/dont-do-it/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#8217;t agree with this more. I&#8217;ve had a fair amount of contact with law students at ASU through moot court judging, hiring clerks and research assistants, and just being an alumnus. I&#8217;ve met a lot of bright, articulate law students. I haven&#8217;t met a lot of impassioned law students who want to be advocates [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with <a href="http://mylawlicense.blogspot.com/2009/06/when-to-get-out.html">this</a> more.  I&#8217;ve had a fair amount of contact with law students at ASU through moot court judging, hiring clerks and research assistants, and just being an alumnus.  I&#8217;ve met a lot of bright, articulate law students.  I haven&#8217;t met a lot of impassioned law students who want to be advocates and truly believe in what they do.  Most of the law students I meet, like most of my fellow law students when I was in law school, don&#8217;t know what they want to do.  They just want a job, and any job will do.</p>
<p>Maybe that works if you want to write wills or review contracts, but in criminal defense, that won&#8217;t cut it.  It&#8217;s a calling.  It&#8217;s stressful, time-consuming, frustrating, depressing, and generally thankless.  A lot of the time, it just flat-out sucks.  However, the people who do it for the right reasons wouldn&#8217;t think of doing anything else.  We eat, sleep, and breathe criminal defense.  If you end up a criminal defense lawyer because it&#8217;s the job you happened to get, you are probably in it for the wrong reasons.  It&#8217;s that simple.  You should quit before you do a disservice to any more clients.</p>
<p>When people ask me if they should go to law school, my response is always &#8220;no.&#8221;  They&#8217;re asking the wrong question.  The people who should be lawyers, criminal defense lawyers at least, are the ones who want to know <em>how</em> they can do it, not <em>if</em> they should do it.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s your calling, this very moment is the very best time imaginable for you to become a criminal defense lawyer.  If it isn&#8217;t your calling, forget about it.</p>
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		<title>ASU No. 1 in Law School Rankings</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/05/12/asu-no-1-in-law-school-rankings/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m not talking about those silly U.S. News &#038; World Report rankings. I&#8217;m talking about these rankings. Unfortunately, I&#8217;m not sure if I should be proud of my alma mater or start telling people I went to U of A.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not talking about those silly U.S. News &#038; World Report rankings.  I&#8217;m talking about <a href="http://subtledig.com/rankings/full-rankings/">these</a> rankings.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I&#8217;m not sure if I should be proud of my alma mater or start telling people I went to U of A.</p>
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		<title>When to Go Solo</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2009/03/22/when-to-go-solo/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Posts here and here bring up interesting points about going straight into solo practice out of law school. While good reading, for the most part, I don&#8217;t agree with them. Adrian and I went into solo (or is it duet?) practice straight out of law school. Throughout law school, I intended to do criminal defense [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posts <a href="http://criminaldefenseblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/solo-criminal-defense-out-of-law-school.html">here</a> and <a href="http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/03/15/straight-into-solo-when-theres-no-other-choice.aspx">here</a> bring up interesting points about going straight into solo practice out of law school.  While good reading, for the most part, I don&#8217;t agree with them.</p>
<p>Adrian and I went into solo (or is it duet?) practice straight out of law school.  Throughout law school, I intended to do criminal defense and nothing else.  I wanted to fight the big, bad government.  My goal, which I made clear to everyone around me, was to immediately hang out a shingle upon receipt of my bar number.  I set aside time to watch court.  I did a public defender clinic, attended public defender new hire training, spoke with a number of judges, and met as many good criminal lawyers as I could.  I bombarded every criminal lawyer and paralegal I encountered with questions and did about two years of work as a clerk and research assistant for a prominent criminal defense attorney who had his own solo practice.  He led me through a number of his cases from start to finish, showing me exactly what he did and why he did it.  Adrian took a fairly similar path.  All but a handful of people at ASU discouraged us, but we were undeterred.</p>
<p>When we first started the firm, we did very little advertising (we still don&#8217;t do very much, but that&#8217;s beside the point).  The attorneys we knew referred to us those clients who couldn&#8217;t afford their fees.  Judges and lawyers helped us get indigent defense contracts.  I never felt like I was doing anything completely on my own because there were so many highly qualified people willing to help us when we needed it.  After about a month of being out on my own, one of the state&#8217;s best criminal lawyers was generous enough to sit down with me and spend over an hour discussing everything he would do if he was handling each of my cases.  Experience like that was invaluable.</p>
<p>In the beginning, we charged next to nothing, and almost every case was a flat fee.  If a client insisted on being billed hourly, we did it at a ridiculously low rate and cut out the time we spent learning things more experienced lawyers would have known already.  We devoted an incredible amount of time to each of our cases.  When I added up my time on some of my first misdemeanor flat fee cases, each was over a hundred hours.  I was terribly inefficient, but I made sure clients never had to subsidize my learning curve.  Neither of us had to lie to clients.  We were completely honest about our experience, and although some clients probably didn&#8217;t hire us because of that, I doubt we would&#8217;ve been a good fit anyway.</p>
<p>One of the reasons we went out on our own was because we thought it would actually give us better training than any other route.  I think it did.  If we had worked as a prosecutor or public defender, we wouldn&#8217;t have had as much choice (if any at all) over who taught us.  Instead, we went to the best lawyers we could find, the ones judges and other criminal defense lawyers recommended.  They were almost always happy to help.  We also wanted to control our caseload.  That worked too, as we&#8217;ve never had to take more cases than we felt comfortable handling.</p>
<p>Most importantly, aside from occasionally covering for other defense attorneys, we only appear in court on behalf of our clients.  To me, that&#8217;s a big deal.  We know everything possible about them and their cases, as we represent them from beginning to end.  I have the utmost respect for public defenders, but if I had gone that route, I would have likely spent a lot of time sitting in court doing coverage.  I wanted clients.  I wanted cases.  I wanted to avoid appearing in court on behalf of people who weren&#8217;t my responsibility.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;d gone to work for the public defender&#8217;s office, we still would&#8217;ve represented clients more or less immediately.  To some extent, we would have still had people&#8217;s lives in our hands, and they would&#8217;ve received representation from inexperienced lawyers.  They aren&#8217;t any less entitled to competent representation than someone who pays.  I wouldn&#8217;t have viewed theirs as training cases any more than I viewed my private clients&#8217; cases as training cases.  Every lawyer has first clients.  Ours just happened to pay us.</p>
<p>In his post, Scott Greenfield says he expects new criminal defense lawyers to inform him that he&#8217;s wrong by insisting that they&#8217;re great.  I might be a new lawyer by his standards, but I&#8217;m not going to claim I&#8217;m great or make any other self-aggrandizing, unverifiable claims.  That would be meaningless, as anyone on the internet can make themselves look like Gerry Spence.  I hope this post doesn&#8217;t come across as bragging or self-promoting.  What I want to get across is that going straight into solo practice can provide as much training and supervision as a more traditional career path.  The drawbacks Adrian and I encountered, like more liability, more expenses, more risk, longer hours, and less-than-steady pay at the outset, were things that affected us personally.  They weren&#8217;t to the detriment of our clients.</p>
<p>Grudging soon-to-be solos who do it straight out of school because they have no other options may indeed need advice to minimize the harm when they&#8217;re unleashed on the public.  However, the people who are prepared and choose to do it for good reasons are just as deserving of sage advice and support.  If you make competence top priority and lay the proper groundwork, there&#8217;s no reason not to go right into solo practice criminal defense.</p>
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		<title>The Stupidest Thing I&#039;ve Ever Read</title>
		<link>http://brownandlittlelaw.com/blog1/2008/12/26/the-stupidest-thing-ive-ever-read/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here it is, a comment a law professor named David Papke posted earlier today: I’m pleased to hear Andrew Golden has observed only minimal alienation in the PD’s Office. It’s nice to know there are islands of integrity and commitment in the profession. However, I strongly agree with Chris King’s sense of the proper relationship [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2008/12/15/things-law-school-doesnt-teach/#comments">Here</a> it is, a comment a law professor named David Papke posted earlier today:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m pleased to hear Andrew Golden has observed only minimal alienation in the PD’s Office. It’s nice to know there are islands of integrity and commitment in the profession.<br />
However, I strongly agree with Chris King’s sense of the proper relationship between legal education and the practice of law. We don’t want law school to be lawyer-training school. When we cave in to demands of that sort from the ABA and assorted study commissions, we actually invite alienation among law students and lawyers. Legal education should appreciate the depth of the legal discourse and explore its rich complexities. It should operate on a graduate-school level and graduate people truly learned in the law.
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<p>Okay, maybe I&#8217;m exaggerating.  Maybe it&#8217;s not <em>the</em> stupidest thing I&#8217;ve ever read, but it&#8217;s definitely stupid.  You can read excellent commentary <a href="http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2008/12/memo-to-future-lawyers.html">here</a> and <a href="http://blog.simplejustice.us/2008/12/26/marquette-law-school-training-lawyers-is-beneath-us.aspx">here</a> and <a href="http://mylawlicense.blogspot.com/2008/12/marquette-law-not-lawyer-school.html">here</a>.</p>
<p>What confuses me most is this sentence: &#8220;When we cave in to demands of that sort from the ABA and assorted study commissions, we actually invite alienation among law students and lawyers.&#8221;  Huh?  Really?  How?  Admittedly, I haven&#8217;t researched the alienation caused by law students being properly trained to be lawyers, but I just don&#8217;t see how that can be true.</p>
<p>As a lawyer, what at times alienates me from law students is hiring them to do a research project and realizing they know next to nothing about criminal law or criminal procedure despite having gotten excellent grades in law school criminal law and criminal procedure classes.  They can, however, tell me about the professor-made-up &#8220;toothbrush rule&#8221; for Fourth Amendment standing or Justice Black&#8217;s arguments in favor of total incorporation.  As a former law student, I still remember being alienated from lawyers because my knowledge was so impractical that I had to do a lot of extra-curriculur research just to ask them intelligent questions about their practice and understand their answers.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong.  I loved law school (most of the time).  I love being a lawyer (most of the time).  Sure, maybe all any school can do is give you the tools to go out and learn your chosen profession, but do the people teaching you have to avoid giving you practical knowledge about that profession?  Do they have to exhibit disdain for practicing lawyers?  Can someone please enlighten me?</p>
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