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		<title>The Inner Workings of Arizona&#8217;s Motor Vehicle Division</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 23:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Considering how Arizona is pretty much designed and built around the automobile and how the MVD has a remarkable amount of power to alter and even strip residents of their so-called &#8220;privilege&#8221; to drive, you&#8217;d think that its policies and procedures would be transparent, consistent, and easy to understand.  Surprise, surprise, you&#8217;d be wrong.  The MVD works in truly mysterious ways.
Let&#8217;s say, for example, that you&#8217;re a criminal defense lawyer and you want to know the effect of a certain type of conviction on a client&#8217;s driver&#8217;s license.  Specifically, you&#8217;re trying to figure out the MVD consequences of a conviction for driving in violation of a license restriction, A.R.S. 28-3480.  I am personally quite familiar with the charge, though I didn&#8217;t have to worry about the consequences of a conviction because the case was obviously ridiculous and the prosecutor dismissed it.  Sadly, everyone isn&#8217;t charged ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering how Arizona is pretty much designed and built around the automobile and how the MVD has a remarkable amount of power to alter and even strip residents of their so-called &#8220;<a href="http://brownandlittlelaw.com/2009/04/11/your-privilege-to-drive/">privilege</a>&#8221; to drive, you&#8217;d think that its policies and procedures would be transparent, consistent, and easy to understand.  Surprise, surprise, you&#8217;d be wrong.  The MVD works in truly mysterious ways.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say, for example, that you&#8217;re a criminal defense lawyer and you want to know the effect of a certain type of conviction on a client&#8217;s driver&#8217;s license.  Specifically, you&#8217;re trying to figure out the MVD consequences of a conviction for driving in violation of a license restriction, <a href="http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/28/03480.htm&#038;Title=28&#038;DocType=ARS">A.R.S. 28-3480</a>.  I am personally <a href="http://brownandlittlelaw.com/2011/02/26/introducing-arizonas-newest-criminal-defendant/">quite familiar</a> with the charge, though I didn&#8217;t have to worry about the consequences of a conviction because the case was obviously ridiculous and the prosecutor dismissed it.  Sadly, everyone isn&#8217;t charged in a jurisdiction where prosecutors care about doing what&#8217;s right.  Some people are cited in <a href="http://brownandlittlelaw.com/2011/12/12/wasting-scottsdales-resources/">Scottsdale</a>, after all, and it&#8217;s important to be able to tell a client what&#8217;s going to happen to his or her license.  What do you do then?</p>
<p>Sometimes, you can figure out what&#8217;s going to happen by looking through the <a href="http://www.azleg.gov/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=28">Arizona Revised Statutes</a> or <a href="http://www.azsos.gov/public_services/Table_of_Contents.htm">Arizona Administrative Code</a>.  More often than not, you won&#8217;t find any answers there.  The <a href="http://mvd.azdot.gov/mvd/formsandpub/viewPDF.asp?lngProductKey=1420&#038;lngFormInfoKey=1420">Arizona Driver License Manual</a> and <a href="http://www.azcourts.gov/Portals/27/ASU/MVD_Courts.pdf">MVD and Courts Training Manual</a> don&#8217;t help most of the time either.  When you can&#8217;t figure it out on your own, your best bet is to call the MVD.  That&#8217;s probably what you&#8217;ll need to do for a violation of A.R.S. 28-3480, though you may be disappointed by the amount of help they&#8217;re able to provide.</p>
<p>To its credit, the MVD has several employees who are willing assist attorneys in just such a situation.  They&#8217;re actually quite friendly and eager to help, obviously a great alternative to spending hours on hold  after calling the main MVD number.  Unless you want to satisfy some kind of sick longing for bad muzak, calling the main MVD number is rarely advisable.</p>
<p>If the helpful MVD liaisons were in charge, everything would probably be simple.  No one would have to speculate about whether there are going to be serious consequences to a person&#8217;s license after a conviction for driving in violation of a restriction.  They&#8217;d be able to quickly and easily tell a defense lawyer just what happens when a person is convicted of A.R.S. 28-3480.  Unfortunately, they aren&#8217;t in charge.  In reality, the MVD&#8217;s actions in response to certain convictions appear to be determined in one of two ways.</p>
<p>First, I suspect there may be a strange, hermit-like wizard lurking somewhere beneath MVD headquarters.  When a court reports a conviction, it is delivered to him by a blindfolded MVD courier, and the wizard secretively decides the driver&#8217;s fate somewhere deep inside his lair.  After the wizard has made up his mind, he sends up colored smoke to signify his decision.  MVD employees carefully watch for the smoke, and when they see it, they immediately send out a letter telling the driver what&#8217;s going to happen to his license.  White smoke?  No action.  Blue smoke?  A one-year continued restriction.</p>
<p>If there isn&#8217;t an MVD wizard, the most plausible alternative is that the MVD has <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000">Hal 9000</a> from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film)">2001: A Space Odyssey</a> stashed away someplace.  When a conviction comes in, it goes directly to Hal and he decides accordingly.  It&#8217;s far too complex a decision for a human to understand, so the MVD leaves Hal to decide based on some unknown evil super computer methodology and simply reports the outcome to the driver.  Of course, there&#8217;s also the distinct third possibility that the <a href="http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103666/idea-balls">Family Guy Idea Ball Manatees</a> are currently on loan to the MVD, but that just seems ridiculous.</p>
<p>My theories about the inner workings of the MVD are based on highly competent MVD employees&#8217; inability to say with any certainty just what will happen to someone convicted of A.R.S. 28-3480.  After extensive research and several calls, all I knew for sure was that the court should report the conviction to the MVD.  I was also able to determine relatively early on in the process that, if the driver has not yet obtained a new license without the restriction and goes and gets such a new license after the MVD has already acted on the previous violation of the restriction, the MVD will definitely not apply any restriction triggered by a previous violation of the same restriction to the new, unrestricted license.  If the conviction for the violation of the restriction occurs after the driver has gotten the new license, however, things become awfully confusing.  Apparently, nobody knew for sure what would actually happen.</p>
<p>For over a week, the best answer I got from the MVD was that &#8220;the system may spit out a letter imposing an additional year of the restriction.&#8221;  No one could tell me what rule required a continued restriction in the first place.  No one could tell me why it would have to last a full year either.  They couldn&#8217;t point to any specific governing provision or even any list of factors they consider.  Most amazingly, no one could tell me who actually decides what happens.  Is it any surprise I&#8217;m speculating about wizards and manatees?</p>
<p>How does the MVD &#8220;spit out&#8221; a letter?  Does a computer write it?  Does a person?  When they say &#8220;they,&#8221; who do they mean?  Aren&#8217;t they &#8220;they&#8221;?  The questions for the MVD liaisons are endless, but they didn&#8217;t get me anywhere.  The liaisons are just unusually nice people trying to do their job.  They aren&#8217;t the ones who created this beast of a division inside a bigger beast of a department inside our enormous state government.  They aren&#8217;t in charge of anything.</p>
<p>In the end, I finally got a voicemail from one liaison saying, &#8220;don&#8217;t worry about the additional restriction, your client won&#8217;t be getting a letter.&#8221;  I think he&#8217;s right.  I couldn&#8217;t find any authority for the MVD to continue the restriction, and I&#8217;ve never gotten more than anecdotal evidence that it&#8217;s happened from the defense lawyers who claim it will.</p>
<p>As much as I appreciate the fact the liaison actually followed through with what he said he would do, I&#8217;m worried that a government agency could be so big and powerful and opaque and that people fairly high up in the system wouldn&#8217;t even know how it works.  The liaison who gave me an answer did eventually figure it out, but I was lucky he bothered.  I was lucky to have his number in the first place.  Most people are stuck guessing after listening to hours of muzak and being treated like crap by a customer service representative.</p>
<p>Imagine you&#8217;re convicted of driving in violation of a 60-day restriction requiring you only drive to or from work or school after the 60 days are over and you&#8217;ve already gotten your new, unrestricted license.  How comforting is it to only know that the MVD <em>may</em> send you a letter telling you the restriction that&#8217;s already been lifted is back in place and will last an entire year?  The fact that experts at the MVD couldn&#8217;t initially say for sure what would happen or even give me some general guidelines about what to expect is pretty amazing.  Unfortunately, when it comes to licensing agencies, it&#8217;s also pretty common.</p>
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		<title>Your &quot;Privilege&quot; to Drive</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of things will get your driver&#8217;s license suspended, canceled, revoked or refused here in Arizona.  Not paying child support, getting too many tickets, not paying tickets, numerous things involving DUI short of an actual conviction, and convictions for various felonies and misdemeanors will all prevent you from driving.
In Arizona, it&#8217;s practically impossible to get by without driving.  Public transportation is generally inadequate in urban areas, and in rural areas, it&#8217;s basically non-existent.  Cabs are very expensive.  Most people I know who take advantage of buses or the light rail still have to drive a few miles to get to a park and ride.  My clients who can&#8217;t drive are severely limited in where they can live and work.
Not having a car leads to many of my clients getting into more trouble.  Those who drive anyway often find themselves with new misdemeanor charges ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of things will get your driver&#8217;s license suspended, canceled, revoked or refused here in Arizona.  Not paying child support, getting too many tickets, not paying tickets, numerous things involving DUI short of an actual conviction, and convictions for various felonies and misdemeanors will all prevent you from driving.</p>
<p>In Arizona, it&#8217;s practically impossible to get by without driving.  Public transportation is generally inadequate in urban areas, and in rural areas, it&#8217;s basically non-existent.  Cabs are very expensive.  Most people I know who take advantage of buses or the light rail still have to drive a few miles to get to a park and ride.  My clients who can&#8217;t drive are severely limited in where they can live and work.</p>
<p>Not having a car leads to many of my clients getting into more trouble.  Those who drive anyway often find themselves with new misdemeanor charges when they&#8217;re caught.  If they&#8217;ve been drinking, what would be a misdemeanor DUI becomes a felony DUI.  The jail time turns to prison time, and they have to do 120 times as much of it.  Plenty of stops and searches incident to arrest that resulted in new charges would have never happened if the driver&#8217;s license hadn&#8217;t been suspended.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had clients who picked up serious drug charges after getting rides with friends who ended up having drugs in the car.  I&#8217;ve also had clients who said they committed crimes because the person who gave them rides called in a favor.  The most common excuse I hear for people failing to check in while on probation or missing court dates is that they couldn&#8217;t get a ride.  Judges, prosecutors, and probation officers usually show no sympathy.</p>
<p>No one is less sympathetic than Arizona&#8217;s Supreme Court.  You see, Arizona courts do not recognize driving as a right.  To them, it&#8217;s a &#8220;privilege.&#8221;  They claim to recognize that not driving hurts those who must drive for a living, but they seem to think that matters only for particular occupations or fields.  They don&#8217;t think the potential loss of the driving privilege is a grave or serious consequence.  That&#8217;s why a license suspension isn&#8217;t enough to support a right to trial by jury.</p>
<p>Unless the justices make a lot more than I think they do, I doubt they&#8217;re getting chauffeured everywhere in limousines.  I&#8217;d love for them to go without driving for three months and say loss of license isn&#8217;t a grave or serious consequence.  They&#8217;d have to tell their friends and family they aren&#8217;t allowed to drive.  They&#8217;d have to walk back from the grocery store laden with bags or bother everyone they know for rides.  People would have to accommodate their lack of transportation.  Maybe then, things might change</p>
<p>Insensitivity isn&#8217;t the only problem with how Arizona courts view driving.  I find the very use of the word &#8220;privilege&#8221; repulsive.  It sounds as if we&#8217;re small, helpless children who should be grateful for every little scrap of autonomy the state decides to grant us.</p>
<p>As an American, I&#8217;m proud to have rights, not privileges.  The word privilege isn&#8217;t anywhere in the Bill of Rights, and the founders declared that I am endowed with unalienable rights, not granted alienable privileges.  In much of this country (and most if not all of Arizona), driving is often necessary in order to make a living, raise a family, and have a decent quality of life.  I shouldn&#8217;t have to rely on big brother to give me permission to do something necessary to live my life in a normal, reasonable manner.  I&#8217;m ashamed Arizona uses the word privilege in its constitution and statutes.  It sends the wrong message, telling us someone has to give us our freedom.</p>
<p>To the government, it doesn&#8217;t matter how essential something may be to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  If the government wants to regulate it, that&#8217;s what the government is going to do.  In most cases, all it takes is a name change.</p>
<p>Relabeling and over-regulating something as important as driving frightens me.  Reproduction, marriage, and plenty of other essential rights aren&#8217;t enumerated.  Although it would probably love to do it, Arizona can&#8217;t relabel them privileges because courts have decided they&#8217;re important enough to be off-limits.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not thankful for that because I shouldn&#8217;t be.  Instead, I&#8217;m angry that I have to hope judges think something is important before I&#8217;m allowed to exercise my right to it.  It&#8217;s a sad state of affairs, and I can&#8217;t think of any area where the judges more plainly and disturbingly ignore something essential to modern life than with driving.</p>
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		<title>The Right to Counsel, Admin Per Se</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If an officer has probable cause to believe you are in actual control of a motor vehicle while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, the law provides that you will lose your license for a year if you don&#8217;t submit to a chemical test.  Personally, I find the whole concept offensive and wholly incompatible with the idea of a free society.  However, one thing that makes it even worse is that the judge at your admin per se hearing (license suspension hearing) will only consider whether the officer had reasonable grounds to believe you violated a DUI statute, whether you were arrested, whether you refused or failed to complete an alcohol or drug test, and whether you were informed of the consequences of your refusal or failure.  There can be a particularly unjust result when the right to counsel comes into play.
Before I began my legal ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If an officer has probable cause to believe you are in actual control of a motor vehicle while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, the law provides that you will lose your license for a year if you don&#8217;t submit to a chemical test.  Personally, I find the whole concept offensive and wholly incompatible with the idea of a free society.  However, one thing that makes it even worse is that the judge at your admin per se hearing (license suspension hearing) will only consider whether the officer had reasonable grounds to believe you violated a DUI statute, whether you were arrested, whether you refused or failed to complete an alcohol or drug test, and whether you were informed of the consequences of your refusal or failure.  There can be a particularly unjust result when the right to counsel comes into play.</p>
<p>Before I began my legal education, I never would have believed that something like Arizona&#8217;s admin per se law could exist in this country.  This is America, right?  Aren&#8217;t we innocent until proven guilty?  If I was stopped by an officer who told me I had to either submit to a test or lose my license for an entire year, I wouldn&#8217;t have believed him, and I would&#8217;ve asked to speak with my lawyer.  After all, this isn&#8217;t Nazi Germany.  Even if I was completely sober, I never would&#8217;ve submitted to a test.  If an officer is going to try to trick me into taking a test by making up some preposterous law, wouldn&#8217;t he also be more than happy to alter the test&#8217;s results?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I would have thought, and my continuing requests for an attorney likely would have resulted in me failing to complete a chemical test.  I truly wonder how many people are aware of admin per se, and how many people are skeptical about it when they are pulled over and asked to submit.  If anyone has statistics or even anecdotal evidence on this, I&#8217;d love to hear about it.</p>
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